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Well, this should be in the fashion of a long post, but ill explain to the best of my ability to keep it short. About a week ago, I met a girl named Brooke at a bar thru a friend. She was the kind of girl, that just leaked sexual energy and you can see it on her face. So, Jennifer who I met her thru told me if I get some weed I get her friend. So, I called a friend and told him 2 girls are DTF all we need is the weed. We chill later, my girl is throwing me every sexual signal I needed to escalate this to the right place. Jennifer, she says right on Key "I have to go to work in the morning". So, this night was over because that was just unexpected. The next night my friend gets a txt from Jennifer saying do you want to chill and smoke, in the same instance i txt Brooke she tells me to come along with them.

Get to the house, she puts up a little later with all the movies. And gives the money to my friend to buy the weed theyre smoking later. I get some alone time with her and we make out a bit, and then BAM!! 3 dudes walk in 2 of which are friends with her roommate. I txt my buddy and let him know what's going on, and tell him how should we handle this and everything runs smoothly when they get back we vibe with the guys. Brooke then says, I want to play the XBOX which makes the guys get up and go play dominos, so now the logistics return to our favor. I'm sitting next to Brooke and were playing Crash Bandacoot...Jen, has to go to work and says her goodbyes my buddy leave with her and I get some isolation with Brooke. We make out and I do something with my tongue in her Naval that she likes because its different. Then the night ends shortly after because she has to work in the morning.

Fast foward today, I havent heard from her since Tuesday, but every other day she would send me a txt with one of those fowarding msgs. I got aggravated, because she would never respond to my txt just saying general stuff, so I told her to "Delete my number" She didnt respond, I sent a txt to Jennifer telling her what I did and at the time I thought I had a strong frame because I thought she was ignoring me. Jen, tells me a little of whats going on and how family is in town and whatnot. She also said it was mean and why did I overreact. After this I sent a txt to Brooke saying the following

Me: Look I dont mean to blow up on you like that but if ur busy just let me know, if your ignoring me then just tell me.

Brooke: If I was ignoring you I wouldnt pop up every now n again, my fams in town.

Me: (Trying to do my best to hold frame) My apologies just be str8 up with me and ill lay back.

Brooke: Anwar I didnt think you'd take it personally that's all.

After that, I realized I did, and how this was a major DLV and may which cost me a decent girl. I tried not to take it personally, I just didnt like the idea of my txt being ignored or how she didnt tell me from get go what was the deal. I'm trying to figure out how to recover from this in the coming days because I know I may have struck out on this one.. what do you guys think!

Basically what happened is that when you said "delete my number" it showed that she affected your emotional state and you lost your strong frame which led to her losing attraction. Adam just mentioned this in his new video...loss of frame control = her not seeing you as a dominant male. After your initial text you should have just let it go and forgotten about it...go fuck other girls, etc, she eventually would have made a more personal reply.

Don't feel bad dude, you leanred the hard way, so did I a month ago...just learn from it, use the experience and move on. You really only learn from your fuck ups anyway so just remember this lesson. And who knows, in time she might text you out of the blue...don't text her or make first contact again though.

o, Jennifer who I met her thru told me if I get some weed I get her friend.

By you getting her weed, you are playing into her frame. But more importantly it is similar to you buying drinks for a girl in a club so you can talk to her. When you met her you should have gamed her and made her want to see you again cause you are attractive, not becuase you got weed.

I know some guys, especially rich guys, who use drugs like cocaine, to get girls to sleep with them, it is kind of an unconscious aggreement for exchange of sex.

I would also say, if a girl is into you, attracted to you, comfortable with you, and feeling sexual, she will sleep with you regardless if she has work the next day. Her emotions will control her. Somewhere in between you let her think logically,( her state changed) this is like LMR. So you got to improve your seduction in isolation.

If you are with another couple, try and isolate yourself and the girl from this couple. Why? cuase the other girl can destroy your chances. It has happened to me a few times. The other girl would say something cuase she is jealous, or whatever reason.

Mystery said some good stuff on LMR, like as soon as she doesnt want to go further do something else. it is the same as when her state changes i.e. her flatmate comes in. You should be the one to suggest to do something like play XBox. Again her saying what she waants to do, is controlling the frame, her being the leader, cause you followed.

Personallly i think that she is seeing you more as boyfriend, then a sexual adventure.

For the texting, i would have just sent her text or a call, if she didnt respond, then let her be for a couple of days, then do the same again. IF she still doesnt repond, then let her be, thhis time for longer like 4/5 days. Then do it once more, if nothing, forget her. If she wants to see you again, make her work for it. what i mean by not responding is - mass texting, no text back, no call back or message left on voice mail, no email.

While at the same time you are seeing other girls, and living your own life.

What you want to do know is forget her, may be wait for a week and call her, and talk, meet up for a drink at bar or something. Just have a good time, escalate, dont talk about what happened last time with the text or her family (ow it will bring wrong emotions), just lead her in to a good time.

That delete text, showed you were very emotionall attached to this girl, you need to be emotionally unreactive that is the key to women. You need to be the rock in the ocean (she is the ocean). Why would you be so attached to a girl you have met a couple of time? you dont owe her that much of your self ,or your time. This does show neediness, which is ucky to women.

Hope that helps

Jennifer is not the girl, i was trying to sleep with brooke is, Read more carefully.... You gave me some priceless advice in which I will follow now, just sucks that I took it personal anyway.

Juice, i was talking about Brooke.

How did i imply that i was talking about Jen?

If i did, my bad, I thought i made it clear. I will be more explicit as to who i refer to next time.

i think canibus made is clear as to who he was referring to and his advice was spot on. i believe the reason why juice may have thought otherwise was because of the quote canibus used. however, the quote is very relevant to the topic at hand. even though it was jennifer who said to get the weed, she made it into an ultimatum. by getting the weed, you bought not only into jennifer's frame but brooke's as well. let's be honest, they both wanted the weed. so by getting it, you are almost buying your way into some form of hookup. like canibus mentioned, it's just like when a girl tells you that if you buy her friend a drink the friend will talk to you. never buy your way into any situation. and by the word buy i don't necessarily mean money. i just mean that you shouldn't jump through any hoops. i understand that had you not brought the weed, things probably wouldn't of gone anywhere, but you could of brought weed and gamed her well straight away because i agree that she may of been more into the fact that you brought weed than the fact that she found you attractive. i know that sounds a bit harsh, but that's just my initial impression upon reading. all this means is that you can't come across as the nice guy who brings the weed or that cool guy who brings the beer to the party, etc. you have to be that attractive guy who's got some edge to him straight away. that's the guy girls want to be seduced by. they may enjoy hanging and making out with the cool guy who's nice and buys weed, but eventually it wears off. best to start with solid game straight away.

The girl didnt say it as a ultimatum, i just didnt put all the details, I agree I did jump thru a hoop... Brooke wouldve met up with me outside the club without the weed and I knew that from the way she told me, "I dont have a b/f" Interrupting Jennifer at one point. I put a lil game on Brooke but not in a major way, just the way I saw how attracted to me she was and she wasnt drunk or high. Brooke never made mention, about weed though. I only told you the backstory, so you understand the situation, Brooke is attracted to me and its clear. The backstory was for you guys to understand, what the txting was about to understand the situation!

no need to get worked up. the bottom line is that with the texting you showed too much interest and emotion. all your opening texts should be worded in a fashion to where it doesn't matter if they respond or not. for instance you wouldn't want to text something like, "hey are you doing anything?" a better one is saying something like, "today's been crazy. who knew penguins were so violent? hope your day's been safer than mine." or something like, "i just saw something unusual that reminded me of you..."

neither one of these require a response but will more than likely get one. if a girl doesn't respond to a text, who cares. you don't know enough about the situation to worry. she could be constipated, her family could be in town (like in this case), she could be dead (hopefully not the case), her phone could be dead...who knows?

if she doesn't respond then do what canibus said. here i'll quote him to make it easier for you:

For the texting, i would have just sent her text or a call, if she didnt respond, then let her be for a couple of days, then do the same again. IF she still doesnt repond, then let her be, thhis time for longer like 4/5 days. Then do it once more, if nothing, forget her. If she wants to see you again, make her work for it. what i mean by not responding is - mass texting, no text back, no call back or message left on voice mail, no email.

While at the same time you are seeing other girls, and living your own life.

What i say still goes. You jumped through a hoop, regardless of who it was, and you jumped it cause you thought you had a chance with a girl. Apart from this being bad game, it is disrespecting yourself. The point of game is to be an attractive man and being able to convey that. Part of being that attractive man is to know where you are going, and do it for your self, following your purpose, so she can join it . Not just following anyone else and ignoring your own needs and goals, just for pussy. If you are in a group and you go out and you do something you dont want to do, as man - mature, attractive etc - you wont do it regardless of social pressure.

I also think you are getting to hooked up or over needy over making out with her. Its nothing that special, well depending on your experience. What you want, and what most guys say is to have sex first, and get that over and done with.

you say you want to know how to recover. I say why bother. She aint you girl friend, or wife. I would learn from it and apply my new knowledge to the next girl. I would still push this situation with brooke and see how far it goes, i would not just leave her. Just you saying "how to recover the situation" shows neediness.

Already gave advice of what to do with calling her, as rhetoric has already quoted in the post above.

There is saying that to be friends with some one, you should do things together, not necessarily alone, in three different places or context. So being friendly with a guy at work who you only meet at work, is not a friend. but going to the bar or to lunch, then you are becoming friends. I think this is similar to dating girls to. The more places you go to the more she knows you, similar to bouncing. Anyway in you case juice, it seems that you two are alone together doing weed. Change venue and do something else.

Just to know, how many times did you text after you met, to the time you texted her the messages you posted?

One last thing, that text that rhetoric wrote

"today's been crazy. who knew penguins were so violent? hope your day's been safer than mine."

Why it works is similar to why some openers work. Cause they create an emotion, and women love emotions and are controlled by them, it is like their short circuit. As saying goes "change her mood, not her mind". The text evokes curiousty and some fun. Any text which evokes a kind of emotion will gain a girls attention.

canibus1990 wrote:What i say still goes. You jumped through a hoop, regardless of who it was, and you jumped it cause you thought you had a chance with a girl. Apart from this being bad game, it is disrespecting yourself. The point of game is to be an attractive man and being able to convey that. Part of being that attractive man is to know where you are going, and do it for your self, following your purpose, so she can join it . Not just following anyone else and ignoring your own needs and goals, just for pussy. If you are in a group and you go out and you do something you dont want to do, as man - mature, attractive etc - you wont do it regardless of social pressure.

I also think you are getting to hooked up or over needy over making out with her. Its nothing that special, well depending on your experience. What you want, and what most guys say is to have sex first, and get that over and done with.

you say you want to know how to recover. I say why bother. She aint you girl friend, or wife. I would learn from it and apply my new knowledge to the next girl. I would still push this situation with brooke and see how far it goes, i would not just leave her. Just you saying "how to recover the situation" shows neediness.

What you say is true about my game from the start, in some aspects of game I can be attractive and convey it! But, my game isnt complete or whole, I still dont know where Im going or how to begin, I been in the game for 2yrs just incase you wanted to know. I didnt keep an exact number I could say that her and I txted about 50-60 times before that night, we've hung out a couple times and a week or so ago, I did rescue her from doing something dangerous which she thanked me for the next morning. We've made out before, the same night we met, just havent slept together...I do have trouble creating emotion, when I txt, at this point in my game, I'm breaking off these needy tendancies to the best of my ability... after this situation I txted Brooke this today, "I just got chased by a dog and fell into some bushes.. again" and her and I had a decent txt convo while she was working.

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but I have one thought

i read two posts you posted where you told a girl to "be straight" with you. To me this means that you just don't wanna play the game, cause after all dating is a game. To me flirting is all about having fun with it, if I did not have fun with it i would not bother with it. I love teasing girls and getting a fun conversation where she is jumping through my hoops. To me asking a girl to "play it straigth" is the same as asking her to not flirt with you.

the way I figure out if a girl is ignoring me/not interrested enough is to send her a maximum of 2 texts, if she wants to contact me again she will. If she don't it is usually not a loss for me.

so my message to you is not to ever ask a girl that you have not known for at least 4 weeks what she thinks about you. that is serious questions you can ofc say things like "how old do you think I am".

I also personally perfer to not use sms-lingo (m8 in stead of mate), but this is more of the way i like to do it, I don't think it is important.

I know I would start to ignore an girl that sent me those messages you sent (not meant as an insult or anything)

so all in all
play straigth = I wanna be serious = fun flirty period is gone.

LOL, dude everyone has done this. If she doesn't respond to your text, DO NOT RESPOND BACK OR SEND A NEW ONE. Make her chase you, because you're sargin new chicks daily and don't need a girl that is going to flake on you.

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