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I agree with Gogland but the way I see it is, there is a world of difference between being able to make smooth approaches and being "pro" at game. I honestly don't know how good Jack is. From what I hear he has some real game, I don't know, for all I know that's true, but I will agree with what others having said in terms of not seeing anything that suggests he is good by community standards in the videos as of yet. I've seen solid basic game yes, and that's helpful but I'm not seeing mastery in the videos posted.

In my opinion the community is incredibly diluted in terms of truly exceptional talents and teachers and that's partly because of hero worship/fanboyism, huge egos (guys thinking they are good when they may or may not be), and guys not finishing there initial ("in-training") development before preaching game to other desperate men.

Frankly, I hope Jack is as good as I've heard because for whatever reason, the better guys seem camera shy in this community. I just hope I get to see his A game at some point. Isn't this about constant improvement? I tend to agree with the guy who says the attitude of "I've arrived" can't be good for growth.

I don't know how to say this without rubbing a few people the wrong way, so I'm just going to come out and say it:

The whole "community" thing you guys talk about, the one "Mystery" helped make, is one big joke.

I KNOW guys who were in such books as "The Game." That book needs to be taken as fictional, because the events are greatly exaggerated. Mystery is all about MAKING CASH! All the products, and all the lessons he teaches are designed to make him money, PERIOD.

You guys are asking me to show vids of "Merging sets, Venue changing," and all this nonesense, what for? Because that's what it really is, it's none sense! You don't need to know any of this junk to get good with women, thinking this way is beyond ridiculous.

True, the more places you and a woman visit raises her comfort levels being around you, BUT, you're forgetting a very Key aspect to all of Pickup: A woman knows if she is going to fuck you, usually before you open your mouth.

Sure, you can argue this to death, by saying stuff like "attraction isn't a choice, you can build it with conversation." But these arguments are not valid, as attraction isn't a choice, you're right, but there must be SOME exchange of sexual energy within the first few seconds of an interaction. There must be SOME attraction or some curiosity on the womans side.

Body language, tonality, your vibe, all these things can make her intrigued by you, and have her find you attractive from the get go. From then on out, the whole battle is making sure you don't FUCK THINGS UP.

You don't need these creepy tactics. I watch my old video's on the site and it makes me cringe! I think to my self, "Damn, did I actually go through all that trouble when it could have been so much more simple?"

Think about it, if a girl knows within seconds if you're her kind of guy or not, then you can cut the time in half and get down to business much sooner than you realize. T from seduce in seconds makes perfect sense when he told me if getting a girls number is your goal, do it quickly! There's no need to spend upwards of 20 minutes chatting to them, you can spend those 20 minutes on the phone later.

ps. To those of you thinking I started a "pickup biz" like all the big timers have going on, this is NOT TRUE. I don't run a "pickup" company and I seriously have ZERO intention at the current time to do so. I simply offer my help if people want it, but for a price. Because as I've said before, my time is money, as is EVERYONES.

On a more personal note - it took me nearly a year of being "In the community" to realize it was mostly made of horse shit, then one eighth of the time to learn the "truth" to being able to attract women into your life. And trust me, I don't need to wear flashy light sunglasses to get girls. Girls absolutely adore me now, I have more than I know what to do with. I'm considering getting just one girlfriend, because having a bunch of girls fighting to be your "queen" (so to speak) is way too time consuming. I have to focus my energy on more productive things.

- Jack Coxwell

jackcoxwell wrote:I don't know how to say this without rubbing a few people the wrong way, so I'm just going to come out and say it:

The whole "community" thing you guys talk about, the one "Mystery" helped make, is one big joke.

I KNOW guys who were in such books as "The Game." That book needs to be taken as fictional, because the events are greatly exaggerated. Mystery is all about MAKING CASH! All the products, and all the lessons he teaches are designed to make him money, PERIOD.

You guys are asking me to show vids of "Merging sets, Venue changing," and all this nonesense, what for? Because that's what it really is, it's none sense! You don't need to know any of this junk to get good with women, thinking this way is beyond ridiculous.

True, the more places you and a woman visit raises her comfort levels being around you, BUT, you're forgetting a very Key aspect to all of Pickup: A woman knows if she is going to fuck you, usually before you open your mouth.

Sure, you can argue this to death, by saying stuff like "attraction isn't a choice, you can build it with conversation." But these arguments are not valid, as attraction isn't a choice, you're right, but there must be SOME exchange of sexual energy within the first few seconds of an interaction. There must be SOME attraction or some curiosity on the womans side.

Body language, tonality, your vibe, all these things can make her intrigued by you, and have her find you attractive from the get go. From then on out, the whole battle is making sure you don't FUCK THINGS UP.

You don't need these creepy tactics. I watch my old video's on the site and it makes me cringe! I think to my self, "Damn, did I actually go through all that trouble when it could have been so much more simple?"

Think about it, if a girl knows within seconds if you're her kind of guy or not, then you can cut the time in half and get down to business much sooner than you realize. T from seduce in seconds makes perfect sense when he told me if getting a girls number is your goal, do it quickly! There's no need to spend upwards of 20 minutes chatting to them, you can spend those 20 minutes on the phone later.

ps. To those of you thinking I started a "pickup biz" like all the big timers have going on, this is NOT TRUE. I don't run a "pickup" company and I seriously have ZERO intention at the current time to do so. I simply offer my help if people want it, but for a price. Because as I've said before, my time is money, as is EVERYONES.

On a more personal note - it took me nearly a year of being "In the community" to realize it was mostly made of horse shit, then one eighth of the time to learn the "truth" to being able to attract women into your life. And trust me, I don't need to wear flashy light sunglasses to get girls. Girls absolutely adore me now, I have more than I know what to do with. I'm considering getting just one girlfriend, because having a bunch of girls fighting to be your "queen" (so to speak) is way too time consuming. I have to focus my energy on more productive things.

- Jack Coxwell

As always man, well said. Although I do like the community cause it is rather amusing lol the material is mostly repeated and bleh but the drama is fun lol

And I'll tell you what I admire about you Jack and something you kinda indirectly taught me which I am gonna be mentioning soon in my upcoming videos.

Jack is INNOVATIVE! People need to be more INNOVATIVE!! SOOOO many people just copy what they read out in field and like Jack I have been there. You dont need half the shit it tells you. Just dont be creppy and dont say any fucked up shit. Be normal and project your sexual/attractive vibe.

People like me and Jack can pick-up not because we know some better tactics or rules, we are average guys but we are just tuned into are social/sexual vibes far more and can project them far better and easier.

I think though for a starting point I mean canned material isint all bad so long as you realise its not the material its you that is gonna need to find attract the girl you want.

And good luck picking the queen she should feel honored lol

-Aaron

This thread is turning into a really good debate. here is my two cents/pence (if from UK)

The game is a story of a guy trying to be a pickup artist, written by a professional journalist. He has to write a story based on the truth, but make it interesting so that people will buy and recommand it. I am sure there are lot of truths and untruths in the book. Just remember some films which are based on true stories- they are wholley how it went. Style did do a lot of innovative stuff which improved on mystery method.

A lot of the really good pua started on this journey and learned a lot through researching (through books and practice infield). They then saw a markest for this and started to sell their acquired knowledge to the public. Most of the stuff they put together in an easily digestable format so people can use it - i.e. mystery method etc.

I belleve it is the journey that one has to take - the research, the practice, the rejection, living an atttractive life, being an attractive person etc, is what gets you the girl, regardless of the tactics that are used. cause alll the canned stuff comes from the way an attractive natural would do stuff.

I do also believe, that you shouldnt reinvent the wheel. If something is good and it works use it. but you must adapt to your own ends, otherwise you will be a clone, not in the moment, unnatural and probably creepy, cause u r trying to be someone else. So when the canned stuff runs out, you will end up with showing yourself and if it aint attractive, then you will be seen as hypocrite, a liar and lose attraction. you got back up everything that you say and do, cause it is who you are.

I do use some stuff, but becuase it fits in with my personallity, like cocky funny (i have been doing this at school without realiseing it), and palm reading (becuase i can crack jokes about her). Things that have been useful to learn from this community, is mainly about me, and how to improve myself socially. Topics such as vibing, storytelling, the need to physicallly escalate.

I also agree that a lot of people are copying others out there, and living off the the game.

Take things that work and you can use and fits into your style and use it, but make sure you adapt it, try new stuff, even if it doesnt work. improve yourself first.

Man I just tried 2 write a post n it ddnt post it!!! well, im not writing that long post again but in summary, I was basically saying dont get too angry at mystery n his crew for hostin seminars. It seems like alot of those guys in the seminars r in their mid 30's. many of them r jus now learning how 2 game. For them, a seminar can b jus wat they need 2 conquer some of those innergame problems. Now compare these men to ourselves. We're young n most of us r in High school or college or jus beginning our future careers. We're still in tune with our youthful and socially connected lives. Mayb this is the reason we look down on all of these products n seminars that can b payed for with thousands of dollars. some of the men who attend seminars have nothing, and r bored with their lives n feel they need 2 change. However, everybody doesnt have the same motivation. So those who have motivation n want pussy pick up a book of the mystery method, then give that book 2 a friend and then they both go out n begin their journey to PUAism. And admit it, none of us would b doin all of these approaches if it wasn't for the mystery's book. But anyway, the less motivated feel they need extra help; thus a bootcamp.

So, all in all, I dont think bootcamps r that bad, n neither is the information that they teach. all of this stuff is 2 build ur confidence and make u live an attractive life. Some people take the easy route and go around the storm (bootcamps) n some people go straight into it and take on all the pain and hardship......in the end, the journey leads to one place....a better life filled with women and confidence.

I almost re-wrote my entire 1st post. I am NOT readin over this thing so if u have any questions, jus ask n I'll try 2 explain better.

Peace out n game on!!!!!- Haywiz

jackcoxwell wrote:I don't know how to say this without rubbing a few people the wrong way, so I'm just going to come out and say it:

The whole "community" thing you guys talk about, the one "Mystery" helped make, is one big joke.

I KNOW guys who were in such books as "The Game." That book needs to be taken as fictional, because the events are greatly exaggerated. Mystery is all about MAKING CASH! All the products, and all the lessons he teaches are designed to make him money, PERIOD.

You guys are asking me to show vids of "Merging sets, Venue changing," and all this nonesense, what for? Because that's what it really is, it's none sense! You don't need to know any of this junk to get good with women, thinking this way is beyond ridiculous.

True, the more places you and a woman visit raises her comfort levels being around you, BUT, you're forgetting a very Key aspect to all of Pickup: A woman knows if she is going to fuck you, usually before you open your mouth.

Sure, you can argue this to death, by saying stuff like "attraction isn't a choice, you can build it with conversation." But these arguments are not valid, as attraction isn't a choice, you're right, but there must be SOME exchange of sexual energy within the first few seconds of an interaction. There must be SOME attraction or some curiosity on the womans side.

Body language, tonality, your vibe, all these things can make her intrigued by you, and have her find you attractive from the get go. From then on out, the whole battle is making sure you don't FUCK THINGS UP.

You don't need these creepy tactics. I watch my old video's on the site and it makes me cringe! I think to my self, "Damn, did I actually go through all that trouble when it could have been so much more simple?"

Think about it, if a girl knows within seconds if you're her kind of guy or not, then you can cut the time in half and get down to business much sooner than you realize. T from seduce in seconds makes perfect sense when he told me if getting a girls number is your goal, do it quickly! There's no need to spend upwards of 20 minutes chatting to them, you can spend those 20 minutes on the phone later.

ps. To those of you thinking I started a "pickup biz" like all the big timers have going on, this is NOT TRUE. I don't run a "pickup" company and I seriously have ZERO intention at the current time to do so. I simply offer my help if people want it, but for a price. Because as I've said before, my time is money, as is EVERYONES.

On a more personal note - it took me nearly a year of being "In the community" to realize it was mostly made of horse shit, then one eighth of the time to learn the "truth" to being able to attract women into your life. And trust me, I don't need to wear flashy light sunglasses to get girls. Girls absolutely adore me now, I have more than I know what to do with. I'm considering getting just one girlfriend, because having a bunch of girls fighting to be your "queen" (so to speak) is way too time consuming. I have to focus my energy on more productive things.

- Jack Coxwell

Lmao!!! Wow Jack that was low AND bragging!


AND I know you didn't just diss the ENTIRE community. You really aren't a PUA. Are you?


I asked you if you could show us a video of you merging sets and amoging and you respond defensively? Were online and I can tell what your body language is.


And of course a woman can tell if she wants to sleep with you by her first look. That happens to everyone. But the very reason we are in the community is because we want to change all that. We use canned material and do approach after approach, then we make our own material and develop good body language, then comes our confidence and we start making better health habits and before you know it. WE BECOME the type of men whom a woman wants to sleep with at first site. She sees us with other beautiful women and even gives us proximity. That right there is the very PURPOSE of the community. But as you have shown us. You dont really understand that.


The whole community is there to teach us how to not "FUCK THINGS UP". Because most people have been doing it all their life.


And of course some parts of THE GAME were tweaked. Strauss is a writer and he knows that he needs a good story for the book to be successful. Its the moral of each story and how each problem is overcome that matter in the book. And one again, Jack. You show that you simply, dont understand.


And I repeat myself. No one will be fascinated by your game if you dont show that you can handle a very difficult situation. AMOG, Merging sets(forward and backward), maybe even some isolation, and if its possible I'd like to see you work some hired guns(waitresses).


I'm seriously just starting to think that youre some natural who just wants to get the upper hand over women(I didn't believe that video you made). And to be honest, I despise those kind of naturals. They are the reason why so many women dislike and are afraid of the community anyways.


When people come to the community, they do it for a bunch of reasons. maybe they want to find that Queen of theirs, have more open relationships, become more confident with women, gain the social upper hand, or just be liked by people. But there is always one reason behind it all: We were not good with women and we just want them to care for us the same way we care about them. Thats all there is to it.


See you around.


~Kingpin

Artisan wrote:In my opinion the community is incredibly diluted in terms of truly exceptional talents and teachers and that's partly because of hero worship/fanboyism, huge egos (guys thinking they are good when they may or may not be), and guys not finishing there initial ("in-training") development before preaching game to other desperate men.

Couldn't agree with that more.

Kingpin18 wrote:When people come to the community, they do it for a bunch of reasons. maybe they want to find that Queen of theirs, have more open relationships, become more confident with women, gain the social upper hand, or just be liked by people. But there is always one reason behind it all: We were not good with women and we just want them to care for us the same way we care about them. Thats all there is to it.
~Kingpin

You're right, that's why I was attracted to it in the first place as well.

If I had to pick a persons teachings who helped me the most out of anyone, I'd have to say Johnny Soporno. He's one of the only guys in the community I respect, I'm glad i had the pleasure of meeting him. There are few others I'd care to meet.

this is why i dont like the whole idea of this business. I see the point in guys helping others to better themselves in this importnat area of their lives. Yet most people, jack right says, are doing it for their own selfish reasons, mainly to get rich. A lot of this stuff is same stuff rehashed.

Kingpin, you say, that they give you the skills that help you become the guy that is attractive, by learning routines etc, so you dont fuck it up. I think this is how they make their money, they say, do x y z, and you will get ther girl, just like a flow chart or instructions manual. Although there is a lot of room for improvement, but u are still following a guide.

I believe that if people were taught to be more attractive as a human being than they would not need most of the stuff that is on sale. That is why I only really like david deangelo, cause he is the only person that advocates getting your self sorted out then the rest will follow. Following generally principles will help you improve your game, like talking to the girl straight up, but as you are an attractive man, you dont give a fuck, cuase u dont fear negative consequences, only fear what you are missing out on and approach her cause it is fun and could lead some where.

The idea that girls will be attracted to you after the first few seconds of meeting you is cause you have changed as a person and automatically show those attractive qualities. So no matter what you say, and it comes in the way you say it, it wont matter cause you have those attractive qualities whic shine through. routines, crutches and over reliance on them leads to mal adjusted people, check out mystery for starters.

jackcoxwell wrote:ps. To those of you thinking I started a "pickup biz" like all the big timers have going on, this is NOT TRUE. I don't run a "pickup" company and I seriously have ZERO intention at the current time to do so. I simply offer my help if people want it, but for a price. Because as I've said before, my time is money, as is EVERYONES.

ummm... wtf? Did you even read that sentence when you typed it? Let's see, A doctor has the skills to help heal someone and charges money for those skills... umm yeah, that's pretty much a business. A restaurant has skill at making particular foods that a lot of people like. they then sell these foods to the masses. Umm, yeah, that's pretty much a business too. See where I'm going with this? Just in case. Jack, you DO run a pickup business.

Considering your rapid "ascent" to success - when less than 6 months ago, you started this with another guy claiming that you guys had 0 experience. Considering that your videos to date show you doing no more than approaching women (which is frankly simple once you overcome AA) and one video with some woman whom you openly dis (who is locking you out of your own home btw - very alpha!) How can you wonder why people are asking you to prove the soundness of your "methods". So far, your methods - other than a bunch of aa destroyers, seem to be comprised of "Fucking grow a pair" which is no method at all.

The community that you dislike (I'm guessing largely in part to PUA watchdog not liking you) you have surrounded yourself with by creating this site, and adding this forum. I'm sorry if I offend, but wake up man. If you have a better system, then prove it - or at least don't get offended when people question it, offer tips, or ask you to show them certain basic skillsets. You never know, they just may be evaluating you to decide whether or not they want to pay you to help them.

Quicksilver,

I appreciate the support you gave us in the past, I remember reading your comments, they kicked ass, it was comments like those that kept us going - No joke!

I personally do not like the community, This Man (Hilarious video!) did nothing but fill me up with false hope when I started off. Then it became apparent to me (you'll see a good example in the video) that his spectacular methods were more so for monetary purposes than anything.

If you watch my video's, almost directly after I announce I'm not going to use anymore methods or routines, my success started to triple and I was able to actually attract women!

I'll be honest here, I'm not sure if I ever said this before, but when I announced I wasn't going to use any routines or methods I was Petrified! My first thought was "Fuck, what do I say now?" That's the beauty of it, because I relied on MY SELF and not someone else's material, I was able to give my self full acclaim for everything I did. No longer was it the material that I was thanking for success (which brought me little success at that) It was all MY SELF! With that bread confidence, which bread more confidence and eventually charisma.

This is a CORE reason why I got good so fast, All the acclaim was put onto me. I have practiced this theory and taught it to many men, they all have seen dramatic improvements. Eventually I will write an e-book explaining the precise details in full, till then you'll all have to take my word for it.

canibus1990 wrote:Kingpin, you say, that they give you the skills that help you become the guy that is attractive, by learning routines etc, so you dont fuck it up. I think this is how they make their money, they say, do x y z, and you will get ther girl, just like a flow chart or instructions manual. Although there is a lot of room for improvement, but u are still following a guide.

I believe that if people were taught to be more attractive as a human being than they would not need most of the stuff that is on sale. That is why I only really like david deangelo, cause he is the only person that advocates getting your self sorted out then the rest will follow. Following generally principles will help you improve your game, like talking to the girl straight up, but as you are an attractive man, you dont give a fuck, cuase u dont fear negative consequences, only fear what you are missing out on and approach her cause it is fun and could lead some where.

The idea that girls will be attracted to you after the first few seconds of meeting you is cause you have changed as a person and automatically show those attractive qualities. So no matter what you say, and it comes in the way you say it, it wont matter cause you have those attractive qualities whic shine through. routines, crutches and over reliance on them leads to mal adjusted people, check out mystery for starters.

Whats wrong if you have to read a guide beacuse you cant learn it on your own. Thats the very definition of a PUA. Saying that you dont like following a guide makes you not even a PUA.


It goes like this. We never had much success with women and our fathers never taught us how to be. So we never got the confidence to be that guy that a girl is attracted to at first sight. So we read these books and get that confidence. And sooner or later we become that man. The stuff that David D teaches is just inner game. Combine that with eliminating AA and you will no longer be fazed by a girls looks and just be normal. Then you will subconsciously be throwing negs and other disinterest stuff. And you'll be no different from the other PUAs.


And Jack, after you said that you were not gonna be using routines you had already been past AA and new enough body language to get a girl attracted. You were not just "being yourself". You were your "best self". That Neil stuff is true. You had become confident and no longer behaved like your AFC self.


And I'm not saying that I rely on routines. Only a fool would do that. But I do rely on the fundamental knowledge that I have about how to approach, when to neg, when and how to build attraction, and I pull this all off the top of my head. I've used negs that I thought up from no whare and I've used the ones that I heard from the books. No real PUA relies completely on routines.


We all have our own style of doing things. Nobody should ever hate on that. Just dont say how great you are without routines, especially when you say it to people who still use them.

Thanks for your comments kingpin. I admit, reading what i said does sound bad and comes across as hateful to people learning routines as there basis of their game. for that I am sorry if i offfend any one.

The main point i was getting at, was that people out there selling there techniques are doing it in way that promotes that there technique is the way to go, and you do that then you will get all the girls you will ever need. it is a form of marketing using the influence tactic of scarcity.

There are lot techniques, which are based on mystery method by mystery, and take credit as novel. A lot of guys out there are trying to get on the band wangon and make money out of this.

I do believe that using routines at the beginning is helpful, we all used them, they have helped us in understanding how to get women, and to get further with women than we have before. that point i agree with kingpin. What am saying is that, there is more to it than routines.

improve change yourself personally to be an attractive person, then what you do, say, act will be what the routines which pua have observed, will come naturally, and feel natural, and not disjointed.

I also, have a problem with some of the stuff, like the stories mentioned to tell girls to build attraction. most tell you to you lie. niel strauss, stresses that it is only flirting so it is alright to lie. I dont believe in doing that. we all have enough stories in our lives to tell, which we can make more exciting, by learning how to express them properly to girls. if not do things which you can get more stories.

Also learning all this stuff, is alot more mindboggling and hard to remember, unless you repeat and practice a lot. instead of learning 10 stories to say in your convesations with girl, learn how to tell a story properly that will make it sound attractive, then think of stuff you have done that you can use as exmaples. I agree that story telling needs to be praticed, but practicing, a story u never did or saw, is showing lack of self esteem and self worth in your own life.

i will leave it at that, am sure u will have something to retort with. plus am getting to side tracked, peace.

Wow! this IS turning into a good thread!

Jack, Thanks for the compliments on the posts. Will be interesting to see your e-book (if you decide to write one - 0 sarcasm there.) Clearly, I'm gonna post, some of the stuff on these boards is like Crack. I was a little put off by your initial post on this thread, but moving right along...

Has anyone noticed how much the PU community is like a bad kung fu movie? "Your kung fu is strong, but mine is better!" - insert kiah's and bad sound fx here.

Interestingly, it sounds as if Kingpin and Cannibus may be saying the same thing - only differently. I have to agree with both. In my opinion, the idea of using canned routines and - as Canni put it - lies - at the outset of all of this is ok, BUT only in the capacity to (as he also said, and Kingpin mentioned as well) learn the proper structure behind HOW to present yourself and build your own stories. Obviously, if you're a natural, or have a natural social intuition, then the initial routines and stories may seem ridiculous - or even a hinderance as you focus on what you're saying, and become incongruent with who you are. That shouldn't discount their valid use as a tool for those who do not have a natural sense of these things (as Kingpin pointed out).

I've said for some time now, get out there and DO STUFF. Fill your calendar with things that interest you, and the cool stories will follow. Once you have the stories, proper structuring of them so you don't inadvertently come of as a braggard, or an asshole is critical. The core PUA stuff Mystery teaches provides structures that can help you to create your own stories and routines that are truthful, and improve your ability to attract women.

btw Jack, thanks for the link to the botched pickups of Mystery... Those were hillarious! and do indeed prove another great point - NOTHING is 100% effective. It's nice to see a master fall on his face from time to time! Would be nice to know the context of his failures if for nothing other than humors sake!?

Shaolin shadowboxing, and the Wu-Tang sword style
If what you say is true, the Shaolin and the Wu-Tang
could be dangerous
Do you think your Wu-Tang sword can defeat me?


This is the best thread on the forum. it is addictive. crack for the brain!!!

who can guess where this quote comes from??