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So, in video 3 (at 4:04) Jack comments on Demetri’s interaction with the girl selling the sunglasses, saying it’s going nowhere and that he needs to transition into some interesting material.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6iOjRmVNnA

I totally identified with Demetri here, because this is one of my sticking points—I can open, be funny and flirty where the girl is responding well—then that gets old, I sense the dire need to transition/escalate, etc but I don’t know exactly how.

What kinds of specific things should Demetri have done at that point?

In demetri's case, the suggestion is - as Jack and Kal mentioned - transition. Specifically, he entered the set talking about sunglasses as if he were going to purchase some. The girl is just doing her job and selling to him. He spiked her interest in him reasonably well enough, but then he never gave her anything else to keep her interested. He could have transitioned into something specific about why he needed the sunglasses like:

"Yeah, I need a really cool pair because I'm going to L.A./Hawaii/The Carribean wherever and I want to look good there."

from there, I would suggest he find a way to branch it into a real conversation that includes and invests her. something like:

"Have you ever been there before?"

if yes, then begin talking about her experience there, if no, ask her what the coolest place she's been is and work on that. Ultimately tie it back into a shared experience, daydream with her about where the two of them could go together - either serious and exotic, or goofy and funny - depending on style. example:

*after hearing her fave place, or talking about the place you're going that she's been* "wow, that's really cool, so you really like *insert appropriate thing here - ie sunny* places? I can see it now, you and I would be *insert activity here*" or you could go with the opposite of the place she likes if you're going someplace dull with something like "We'd never work out then, I only go to places like cleveland. We'd have to live in a trailer together, you'd have like 19 babies and be a chainsmoking mom like in that eminem movie." Something obviously ridiculous, but that gets her thinking about what it could be like to be with you - hence if you go silly, you better make it overtly ridiculous to avoid a bad connotation. Safer to go with a positive experience, especially if you can make it fun/funny. Once that topic's exhausted, or better - before it's exhausted, you transition to another topic (maybe later you re-reference the original one) and keep the conversation going.

In a more generalistic sense than Demetri's case, the transition should be a way to go from the opener (or dying topic) to something that has legs to it that you can discuss and then branch even further off of. The next thing you know, you're in a conversation that has her participating, if you're following her ioi's, displaying value, good body language, tonality and eye contact and kinoing her, then you've begun generating attraction, and from there, you can take the interaction wherever you'd like.

What demitri did was good. If you do this to get in a social mood, which a lot of PUAs say to do, by going to hired guns (people who work, waitresses etc) and talking to them. If you do this in general, talk to them and tease them and have a good time, and you do this all the time you out, you will get noticed by other women a hell of lot and they will be more receptive - it is social proof. Plus it is good fun and you make her day.

Now, if you wanted her number, or wanted to take the interaction further ( because she is working, you would go for the number,cause instant date would be hard to do, unless she takes her break for you, which means you are in big time). You have transition. All that means is change the topic of conversation. You could link to the topic you were talking about, but it has to be something interesting and fun, something that will allow her to get involved, to increase her verbal output to the conversation.

Escalating doesnt have to be physical. you could touch her on the arm when teasing with her. going for hug can seem creepy to her, but it might work for you. escalating by changing the conversation and getting her more involved in the conversation, by getting her to talk more is the aim here.

some ways to transition:

*I gave one above, about using something she said or implied and start off a new conversation thread as above. with Demitri, she gave him nothing to work with, she was just doing her job.

*You could do a cold read - basically a truism of anyone, and go off into a conversation that way. You should be able to find them on net, in other forums

i.e. "You looked bored before I came, i bet you were counting how many people were walking by"

"I am not sure about you, you look like trouble" you could add a a qualifying question like do you like jam.

you can go into the hiring and firing of her as my personal shopper/ fashion advisor routine. which probably would have been great for Demtri. Or even the fake marriage/divorce routine. Both are cocky funny stuff and role plays. The good thing about these is that you can keep coming back to it during the conversation. This would be what i would try and do next. then while she is laugh i would qualify her i.e. what you do in your spare time? what makes you such a good salesperson?

*If you noticed something about her, was she reading something? does she have any badges? Was she talking about something before you talked to her? - you can talk about those stuff.

*you could even ask her an opinion opener, something that requires a female perspective. you can preface this with a complement i.e. "you seem like you know your stuff/ intelligent". Make sure it relates to you, like a relationship question. for me would be to ask her advise on a girl who likes me but i dont like her in that way, what do i do? Then you can talk about relationships and tell stories whatever.

* if some one else was close by, like another customer, you could have roped that person into the conversation, made fun of her again by saying she got bad taste.

Qixsilver had a good idea, but i think asking that question then would have missed out the teasing. If i was in that situation, i would not have told her i was going to whereever first, i would have teased her, then give her that info. IF she asked about it, then i know she was interested. if not i would have gone into what qix was talking about.

The whole point of day game, is too build comfort (get comfortable talking with you, laughing, opening up to you, trusting you) and qualify (get her answering questions, trying to show off to you) then get number but ideally instant date.

Good advice (as usual) Cani. I think both our answers can work quite well. Your way probably helps spike interest more by teasing before asking her to invest, vs. teasing after the initial qualifier.

I dont game hired guns, but i do flirt wit them, but i dont bother going for numbers. well only a couple of times.

as you can see my game is very much based on attraction through teasing spiking mainly comfort talk and moving as fast as possibnle to qualifying

Really appreciate the thorough replies that I can work on internalizing. Thanks.

the only reason you should game hired guns, is not to develop anything. But to get into and stay in a social mood. with that in mind, you should talk to as many people as possible, so you stay in that social mood, and when a girl that interest you comes along, you are ready for her.