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Oh yeah, last week I met this girl in Shanghai who was also going to Bangkok this week so I send her a message on facebook if she wants to meet up. During our converstaion in shanghai I thought she wasn't into me, but she added me on fb and send me a message that I'm really hot lol.

ALso this other girl whom I met in my home country is also going to Bangkok next Saturday, so I'm going to have a date with her here I hope...

I alreayd made out with her, but I hope to make a f* close.

going out with my kid brother soon
gotta try to make him see me as TEH man

How to DLV:
Drink, drink, drink
Ask person A a question
Ask person B a question
Ask person C a question
Go back to person B and ask them the same question
Go back to person A and ask them the same question
Go back to person C and ask them the same question
Repeat process (with different people if you wish)

This is why you shouldn't get drunk if you're planning on gaming . I ended up asking the same question over and over and over and over and over again. My wallet is also considerably lighter and I somehow managed to run into a lightpole. Was a good night .

Yes, there's a certain curve, if yo plot your succes against the ammount of alcoho lit wll first go up, then find an optimum (about 3 beers) and then go down.

Even if you get drukn and you mess up your game, it's still ussualy a fun night haha.

The thing I ussualy see is in the beginning of the evening I have some good conversations and interactions with girls... and later on I open them and they will just look at me funny.. like as if I'm saying something really weird, but I don't think I do.

I think this is why I ussually don't try to talk to girls too much, I just try to insta kiss them lol. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.

Just thought of a possible opener, not field-tested, though: Take a photo of a cool-looking work of art, or album cover, or whatever, etc, set it as the wallpaper on your phone, and use it as an opinion opener, "Hey, what do you think of this painting..? "

It's so weird, lately I've noticed I work better under pressure, that's why I ussualy wait until I either have to leave, or when the club ends (1 hour before).

Yesterday I was thinking of things to say to girls all night long, I was having fun etc. but not really opening.. in the end of the night I wanted to kiss some girls so I just walked past girls and started saying "hey where did you just come froM? (haven't seen you all night)". It worked.. got 2 closes lol, then I think why didn't I do that earlier.

i started typing up some field reports on my spare time at work but i've either gotten distracted or simply lack the motivation to type them up lately. i took some quick notes after each night before getting to bed so the facts are still accurate and accounted for, i just have to put them in sentence form.

i've got a couple of rather successful ones and one that's pretty bad and also contains my worst set ever. in that one, i have a few questions i'll ask you guys.

either way, recently i just started talking to this new girl who works in an office at school. the conversations went well and i had a chance to set up a date later that night but logistics for me were a little bad and i decided against it. part of me wishes i had, but the logistics were still a problem.

lastly, i just started running some facebook game on these two girls i met a long while ago and haven't talk to in a bit. one of them i added on facebook after a party and never talked her afterward. we met 2 years ago and i doubt she remembers. i only remembered her because i saw her profile on my friends list and noticed our two mutual friends. the reason i never talked to her after adding her on facebook was because i wasn't aware of this community two years ago. the only thing i knew back then when i went to the part was to not play the nice guy and let her work for you. it worked well at that party considering i was still very much an AFC. so far the two openers i used have gone well but it's been so long since i've used facebook to game any girls. i'll let you'll know how it goes.

I feel great right now. Just got back home from eating and buying a new fancy soccer ball. I get in the door, take a massive piss and then check my facebook account and I had three positive responses from the three messages i sent out. I've still got it in me.

Although I've find myself actually having to think of good responses to my messages, now that it's been so long since i lasted used facebook to game girls. I used to pride myself on my ability to come up with a response immediately after reading their messages, almost like i was improving an actual conversation.

Either way, my belly is full, i bought a new toy, and i've got three NEW prospects in the works. time to work out, then shower up and figure out the logistics of going to a club tonight with some friends.

today i got totally wierded out
two things happend today;
i meet a girl (i was at the ONLY viable set of the nigth), and this one girl was like "i have seen you before". so, we figure out when, she went to the same school as me from when i was 7 to 15, but she was a year younger than me (I am 23 now). I was almost paralyzed, she had meet the looser me, that got picked on/bullied, and had suicide thougths. she was also a good friend of my only real friend from that period. I felt like she knew to much about me. I have changed alot, but I did not feel any comfort in talking to her what so ever. I guess that is one of the things that I will never get away from. The earlier me, before i got any shields and a "PUA act", will never disapear. I therefore think I will be instantly turn into the AFC i was earlier. She had in some way invaded my safe heaven.

also, do you guys remember that I talked about this girl i called "my mum", she obviously did. I felt that she was kinda disapointed about it, and tried to get passed that "stage".

I also meet the worst AFC I have meet in months. he did not lack will, but basicly everything else. Everybody disliked him, he made me feel the real appritiation for what i have done with my behaviour.

I'll name his misstakes, NEVER do this.
- Standing with his face within one foot of your face, before any comfort is established.
- Not noticing signs that people are unhappy about his company.
- Looking for appreatiation (needy), without any comfort established.
- Giving of the wibe that he will be there, anoyng you, until you leave the place. (he has no other "friends"- wibe)
- controlling the conversations he is in, with no reguards to what the person he is talking to feels or like to talk about

^^ this is basic social skills. you will (or should) not get ANYWHERE before you stop making those misstakes

also, i teased this thin girl, just before the bar was closing (I know I will meet her again);

she was with a guy (felt like AFC), she was saying something, but she fumbled it.
I said; How much have you drunk?
she; only 2 beers (4.7% alcohole 0.5 litres)
I said directed to her "friend"; hehe, you know how it is with small girls and alcohole.
she; hey I am 19 (drinking age in norway is 18).
me; well very ligth girls.

I teased her, and I think it put me in a frame of the superior person, that she will be trying to get the acknowlagement (I don't know how this is spelled) of.

all in all a good nigth.

QUESTION

how often do you guys encounter girls trying to qualify you? in recent times i've tried to get into qualifying early on and often times i'll qualify a girl like crazy. also i've been talking to these four girls on facebook lately and i've been qualifying them left and right and they've all answered my questions, but i've yet to have a girl either in person or on facebook attempt to qualify me. i was just curious if this were a common thing.

for example i've asked multiple girls things like what their three best qualities are, what they have going for them aside from their looks, etc. yet i have never had a girl turn the question around on me like i would expect. i don't mind it, it keeps me in the more dominant frame, but it seems odd to me.

i've had the occasional shit test and i've had girls ask me what i do (job-wise/school-wise) but they've never questioned me about my qualities like i do to them. so the question is, is this congruent with your experiences?

@ hope
We all have pasts man. If you encounter a girl who knew "the old you" think of it as an opportunity to show off the new you. She's likely a very different girl than she was at those ages too. NEVER feel like your safe haven has been invaded. I'd LOVE to meet more girls who knew the old me. Think of the basis for comparison they have vs. a woman who doesn't know you at all? It's that much easier to impress them and build attraction (as long as you're not coming off tryhard!).

@ Rhetoric
I think as you become better at this, and naturally become more self confident, then it begins to show outwardly. You develop a natural passive attractiveness that girls pick up on via body language, carriage etc (on top of any other PA you may possess). It gives you, in essence a shortcut through some of the attraction bullshit. Anytime you meet a girl who tries to qualify you, or is REALLY into qualifying herself to you (over-answers a qualifying question ie. answers a yes/no in great detail), then I think it's a great sign that you don't need to spend as much time in the "attract" stage (if you're following stages) - the attraction is already there. Just give her some solid reasons to remain attracted, and move into qualify/comfort and shortcut your time with her. Also, shit test her by amping kino a little bit and see how she reacts - that way you can determine if she's just bored and playing you, or if she's responsive and seriously into you.

As to your question about if it's congruent with others experiences, I'd answer "yes" for me, and "likely so" for others when a girl turns your qualifier on you - after answering it, it's a big IOI - she's directly expressing interest in you and your life, and trying to connect with you. I'd say if a girl DOESN'T start to qualify you back at some point, you've likely screwed up and not built up enough attraction with her, take a step or two back and work on attract some more.

@RHETORIC

you could say that qualifying is the equivalent of a shit test. She is testing you to find out whether you meet her expectations. This is what qualifying is. Although shit test can be verbal or non verbal, qualifying can seem mainly verbal. Thats why when i get tested by girls, i know they are interested in me. It is when they show no response i.e. they are disinterested, thats when i know am losing her or already lost her. As the opposite of love is not hate, it is disinterest.

I usually use qualifiers as a means to she if she is meeting my standards for what i want. Its like getting to know her. So it is part of starting a new conversatinoal thread. So i would expect her to ask somehting back.

i.e. Are you adventourus? whats the most adventurous thing you have done?.... she will ask me the same thing.

Personally women dont ask about your qualities directly they would rather see it then hear it, cause they know it is true then, not just a show.

I see qualifying, as a form of investing/compliance. The more compliance you gain from her, the more she is into you. But you got to reward her. You can keep on taking without giving. What do you give her, positive emotions. the person who invests the most, is the one who has less power in the relationship.

for example the shit test - are you a player? - well if you invest in proving it wrong then you are investing and showing you want her more. but if you ignore it, or brush it off, or make it funny like you dont care, you have more power.

rambled on too much, let me know if you understand what am getting at.

@HOPE

Agree with Qix on the reframe. Also think about this, she might have been attracted to the old you, yet you never thought about it cause you were in you head, negative etc.

Rhetoric.... it's quite a coincidence that you asked that question, because last Sunday I ran into my toughest pick-up to date in terms of the girl trying to qualify ME.

Here is the background: this was in the Starbucks section of a Barnes and Noble by a college campus. I was sitting with my wing, we were drinking some water. We see this asian chick come in and sit down with her laptop. We both could tell she had a bit of attitude, her face was average in attractiveness, but her breasts were LARGE. Anyway my wing was too scared to do the approach so I went in.

I walk up, she is wearing earphones while looking at her computer. I do my patented Twilight Opener. It goes ok, she is marginally interested we start talking about other stuff, I lock in and sit down while saying a false time constraint........ and soon the hellish nightmare of hoop jumping begins... here are just some of the highlights

(after a few minutes of talking)
Her: So what do you do?
Me: Oh I do stock and option trading stuff blah blah blah
Her: How much money do you make doing that? (qualifier, baiting me to brag.)
Me: Oh I make enough, the key thing is I really enjoy doing it blah blah

Then she hits me with a UPPERCUT:

Her: So how is that making the world a better place? (quite a deep question! However I felt she genuinely wanted to hear my answer, so I answered directly)
Me: Well if I'm happy, generally my emotion rubs off on those around me and makes everyone more positive blah blah

At this point I knew that this girl had GAME. I got the sense that she probably goes to nightclubs and is used to guys hitting on her and that she probably had these questions memorized in advance, much like I generally ask girls if they're into exercising or have hobbies etc.

We keep talking and apparently she is going into grad school for a masters in Nursing Anesthesiology. Not only that but she has a full time job doing cancer research, she just graduated undergrad with a degree in biochemistry.

So we talk a little bit more, I try to create some conflict by saying how I believe that in general most people get better by themselves rather than going to hospitals, especially given the amount of infections due to MRSA present in hospitals. So we have a nice little argument there and she seems to be loosening up a bit.

We talk more, and eventually I go for the number close with my method that works like 80% of the time:

Me: Well you seem like a pretty cool person (at this point I start reaching into my pocket for my blackberry), we should stay in touch, and I hand her my phone.

She takes my phone and says the most ultra, mega, qualifier ever:

"Why should I give you my phone number?"

Now there was NO WAY I was going to start flat out qualifying myself to a girl. I knew at the time that if she asked me this question I had pretty much already blown it because I hadn't offered enough value within the conversation. Regardless, I never supplicate to women so instead I tried to flip the hoop and playfully said:

"You know what? A good question is why should I ACCEPT your phone number? Hmm let's see you do cancer research, that's cool, you're into nursing hmmm"

She says "Well you're the one who asked for it, how about this, I'll just put my name in and you can add me on facebook"

Me (knowing a facebook close is complete garbage): "Facebook? You're not one of those creepy stalker people are you?"

However she doesn't take the bait, and just says she isn't a stalker, and only puts her name in my phone.

I talk a little bit more and eventually leave on good terms.

Let me say this: I have thought about this pick-up more than any other. Not because I found the girl particularly attractive, heck she was sort of on the boring side (she had no hobbies or activities)... but this one interaction has stuck with me because of one reason:

I finally met my match.

Much like when two boxers go toe to toe and battle each other deep into the late rounds with each fighter bringing out the best in the other, so it was between me and this girl.

She probably saw through my approach and mid-game, but ultimately I refused to qualify myself to her. We both knew the game and saw what the other person was doing, thus nullifying each other.

However, this experience will make me even BETTER. In the future I will be more prepared for these types of hard hitting questions while in the field.

I just thought I would share that, for what it's worth.

wow. I hve no respnse to that because my game is no where near to where it should be. I have only gotten numbers from going direct, but have trouble starting a conversation because I have can't think of anything to say. I can only imagine how it feels to finally meet someone on your level socially. It is also a mark of your progress. Just compare how good u r now to how u were when you first started.

@Christopher_Walken

Interesting interaction.

I believe it is the type of women you find challenging which makes you attracted to them. The easy ones get boring after a while. this applies to women as well. and why a lot of tactics are about making us more challenging.

When girls are smart, not only brain smart, but street smart, they are going to be tough customers, cause they will want the best men. why cause they have high self esteem. So there tests are going to be stronger, cause more of a reaction, etc.

Every girl will ask you what you do. They want to build a picture of you. This is a great time to go into a bit of a story of your dreams and how you do what you do, the motivations, the whys, the joys etc. I think it is called a grounding routine.

The only problem is when and how she asks that question. This will show whether she is into you, or testing you. This takes experience.

Generally, i go down the cocky funny route the first time- saying some odd job, which is obviously not real, and see if she laughs or asks again, then i talk about what i do.

But the second question, is obviously, a test. Straight away, i would think she is seeing what kind of reaction i am giving. But you saying "i make enough", you are already qualifying your self. she has taken control of the conversation.

you should have ignored the question, maybe smiled with eye contact and paused, then changed topics. OR you could think of a cocky funny response - "i actually earn 2 strips of bacon and a half a slice a bread every day, sometimes i get a bonus of ketchup and at christmass i get a boiled egg. I am so lucky"

The third quesiton

Her: So how is that making the world a better place? (quite a deep question! However I felt she genuinely wanted to hear my answer, so I answered directly)

Well again i would have made a funny response - " well, i go around the world, saving people who are bored, and bring excitement to their lives, especially people working on laptops, listening to music, and thinking really hard how to give people a hard time.." give a smirk at the end.

If you cant think of responses, use a pause,and if nothing happens, change subjects. if she really is into it, then answer her.

you did right with the number request, telling her that face book is crap.

I would ask, was she having a good time while talking with you? Was she laughing? was she maintaining eye contact? was she facing you while talking? Was she interested in you answers? was she comfortable talking to you?

If the answer is no, then why would she want to talk to you again, why would she want to speak to you.

a good way to ask for a nmber is to Walk away, say bye, and turn around after a step then ask for the number

She takes my phone and says the most ultra, mega, qualifier ever:

"Why should I give you my phone number?"

Again i would do the over top response, but not answer her question -
"Thats right... you should give me you home number - in case your mobile is off, your address - in case i am in your neighbourhood, your email - in case you are at your computer doing work, your parents number - in case you are over there, your best friend number - in case i want to surprise you, possiblly missing person number - in case you are lost. But lets just start with your mobile.

or you could do the deangelo routine

"I understand, dont worry, am only going to call you like 20 times a day and block up your phone with messages." if she is shocked you can add..
"Oh am sorry, that was rude of me, i will call 35 times a day, cause your extra special."

I assume this is during the day, personally i would have gone straight for direct opener. [/quote]