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I should have phrased the thing about the gym clothes a little differently. I meant just what Rhetoric said, wearing form fitting shirts. This is more for me than for the girls. I've been noticing lately that I feel more energetic and lift more when I'm wearing form fitting clothes. Seeing the muscle bulge up in the mirror really pumps me up. When I wear loose shirts, I don't seem to have that same energy level. What happened with that girl just added to it. The only reason I've been holding off on it is because I have a slight bit of a belly, not much though. I was going for a six pack a few months ago, but decided my arms were getting too skinny. I'd rather have a little belly than little arms. Going to continue to bulk till mid to late winter, then try and cut before summer starts again. I've found that medium sized shirts show off my arms and chest well enough while not being too tight around my gut.

I've always liked the whole cocky/funny thing, even before hearing about this community. So, in a way, I already had some experience with that. I was just too afraid to try it on strangers and never realized that was what made girls like me. I'd usually do my C/F routines in front of family and friends only, mainly just to make myself laugh. I gamed a couple girls perfectly in the past without realizing it. It wasn't because I wanted to sleep with them though. They were physically attractive, but I was kind of old fashioned and used to stay away from the ones I considered slutty. I was trying to get them to leave me alone and figured being an asshole would accomplish that. Showing genuine disinterest in a funny way drove them wild for me. However, when I'd see a girl I was interested in, I'd do the exact opposite and they'd run away. I never understood what was going on until now.

I'll take what I've learned from everyone's posts and put it all to use at that party on Saturday I'll be sure to type up a decent FR afterwards. Thanks for the replies!

Well the party was both a dissapointment and a good experience all in one. There weren't any women that really apealed to me there, but I did get plenty chances to practice holding and controling conversations which is what I really need right now anyways. We had arranged some chairs in a horse shoe shape, I was sitting right in the middle of it. I made sure to speak loud and give people on both sides of the horse shoe plenty of eye contact. The only piece of the conversation I really remember are some lines I said that I considered pretty corny at first, but after saying this I noticed several of the women started making more eye contact. Everyone was drinking out of those big plastic cups that everyone has at every party. They had a stack of blue ones out by the drinks, and I noticed some red ones off to the side. I picked a red one and one of the girls started teasing me about it asking what red meant to me. I said it represents love. She replied "so what about blue?", I said "It means you have a frigid heart". Another girl (also with a blue cup) then asked what having a red cup said about my heart and I replied "It means my heart is on fire" (sounds slightly less corny in Spanish). I thought it was pretty stupid at first, then noticed the C/F aspect to it. The women seemed to love it, plus the rest of the guys in the horse shoe were acting 100% AFC which I'm sure helped my cause. The women then started to try and justify why they had chosen blue cups. I just replied with "Excuses, excuses...".

From there I carried fairly normal conversations, there were some silent moments, but overall I did much better than other attempts at just holding conversations without relying on danicing/kino. There was one moment where I definetly fell out of state. They put some reggaeton on (if you don't know what it is, the easiest way of describing it is Spanish rap, mainly from Puerto Rico). I was the only Puerto Rican there so everyone was putting pressure on me to dance. Usually that wouldn't be a big deal, but no one else was dancing. This one really hyper girl got up and started dancing in front of me and I don't know what happened. Just being put on the spot threw me off. I stayed seated for a couple seconds then realized what I was doing. I took a quick second to listen to the music to get out of my head and then proceeded to put on a show. Overall I think it went well, plus one of the guys there did a few things that made me realize another problem of mine. I need to get used to having sexual conversations. Very rarely do I bring up sex until after I've actually had sex with a girl. Rarely can I comfortably make sexual comments and when I do it's because the girl brought it up first. I rely 100% on body language and kino for getting a girl in the mood, which so far has worked with 100% of the girls I've brought to my apartment. So maybe I don't need to talk about sex at all and can just keep using my Wii as an excuse to get the girls to come over. I would like to shake the hand of the man that thought up Wii Bowling... that game has been a god send.

I tried to get some day game in before the party. I need to find a new place to go lol. The downtown area here is packed full of teenagers. I know there are tons of 20 somethings living in this area, but I have no clue what so ever where they spend their time. Rarely do I run into attractive ones at the grocery store and the book store and coffee shops here are always full of people that are too old or too young. Guess I should go grocery shopping more often, currently I go once every 1-2 weeks. Not everyone likes books or coffee, but everyone needs food...

at least you got some good practice in on an important aspect. it's always a lot of fun when you're able to be essentially the life of the party or at least be a dominant figure within the party. being able to lead is a great quality that makes you quite attractive when done right. girls are gonna want to see what you're all about and the other guys are gonna be wondering how you do it. i still remember the first time i experienced this. a girl i met at a club invited me to a party and i tell you what, i felt like a million bucks. from the moment i walked into the door, she hugged me gave me a kiss, her female roommate gave me a hug, and then the male roommate shook my hand right in front of everyone. the party was just starting so everyone noticed me come in. basically i had some solid social proof from the start even though i had just met those three people two days before. then i was immediately opened by a group of three girls just standing next to me. it was the craziest thing ever for me at the time. there were like 8 guys there just standing around doing nothing while i was interacting with all the girls. the craziest thing is that i pulled off 4 makeouts with three different girls within the first 15 minutes of being there. one with the girl who invited me, one with her roommate, one with both of them, and then one with the girl in the group of three who opened me.


either way, i don't ever talk about sex explicitly either. it's just not my style. at most i'll hint at it and use C/F to kinda of imply it and on rare occasions i'll use an innuendo but not often. i don't feel any discomfort doing so, i just feel like it cheapens the conversation and makes me no different from all the sex crazed dudes out there. much like you, i rely on body language and kino to get things going in that direction. personally i also feel it's more powerful. it kinda goes back to the way the human mind works. if someone feels as if they've made a decision all on there own even when they didn't, it's far more powerful than someone making a decision for them. the same thing implies with putting an idea in someones head. it's one thing to mention sex and put the idea in a girl's head, but it's far more enticing when you get her to think of it all on her own by simply using body language and kino. i use the fact that i'm NOT like most guys a girl has met to give me an advantage. by talking overly sexual, i feel i lose that. this is also why i love the whole idea of the push/pull. the average guy doesn't use a push, it's usually all pull. so when a girl is faced with a guy who's pulling her in and pushing her away (psychologically and/or physically speaking), it does a great many things.


FYI: dating a bartender sucks. they always have to work on the nights i like to go out on. also when you're in school, working, and you're trying to date a girl who's a senior in college, taking 18 hours, and also works, it though to find free time that accommodates both of your schedules.

Yeah it sucks when schedules conflict. One of the first girls I ran some successful game on after discovering this community was this Colombian nurse, a perfect 10, this girl was absolutely gorgeous. Problem is she worked as a nurse full time AND went to school. Yeah... she had an hour or two free a week if that lol. It's a shame too, not only was she unbelievably beautiful, but she seemed like a great person overall. She was a little old for me to pursue seriously so I let her go. Dating the manager of a sex shop though... now that's a fun profession to date lol. That was a couple years ago, but I kept in touch with her haha. I spent some time with her a week or two ago (hadn't seen her in maybe 8 months), she was amazed by my transformation and couldn't stop texting and calling me after lol.

I put everyone's advice to work again last night so I figured I'd post a mini FR with what I can remember. I tend to get too out of my head and into the moment to the point that I can't remember much! Hopefully writing FRs will help with that...

Last night I went out with a group that organizes different events, they were having a little party at a club. I spotted two girls sitting by themselves, one had a nice body but a not so nice face, the other was really cute. I started talking to the not so cute one in hopes of making the other slightly jealous before working on her. Long story short, the cute one turned out to be married, but seemed to be trying to hide her ring from me... must be a good sign lol. The whole while all I was doing was talking rather than my regular stuff, next to no kino was going on (on purpose to practice my weak point, keeping a conversation alive). I made sure to ask her how often she goes clubbing, and she said it had been a long while. I knew she'd say that and I proceeded to jokingly blame it on married life to get her to imagine being able to have more fun with me without saying it directly. She looked really into me, but I didn't want to create drama in the group I hang out with so much by going any further with a married girl, the real point was to get some more practice in... so I started working on her friend. I had a surprisingly good time with her, our personalities seemed really similar so it was really easy. While she wasn't the cutest girl I talked to that day, she was the funest. In between dancing and talking to her I went around meeting other people.

The only one worth noting was this really hot girl that was sitting by herself. I just sat down right next to her and introduced myself, but I didn't like the way she looked at me, kind of an arrogant look. I think it might have been because of me getting so close so quick. I used to be terrified of women, now I'm probably too comfortable around them lol. She did seem slightly shy sitting by herself, and I probably just scared her. Either way, I no longer take shit from women so I would turn my back to her often. It was funny, she'd wave her hand over my shoulder to catch my attention. I'd give her a little, then turn away again. Every time I looked back she had this face that showed frustration and interest all in one lol. I'm probably one of the only men to not suck up to her because of her looks in her entire life. I talked with her just enough to get her to show some more interest and then just walked away. She'll get her chance if I run into her again and she cools that bitchy attitude she showed in the begining.

I got the number of the girl with the awesome body but not so awesome face, hung around for a bit, and then left. Out of the corner of my eye I noticed a girl walking out behind me. I had seen her in the club but never got to talk to her. Really cute too. I walked outside and pretended to be checking a text message to give her a chance to catch up. Once she passed me I walked up behind her and threw my favorite opener at her "Hey, how's it going". OMG this girl TALKS!!!! Once I got her feeling comfortable with me she wouldn't shut up lol. Makes my job easier. She walked with me up to the metro station (I was taking the train, she was taking a cab). I just threw in some jokes every now and then, some short DHV stories based off of what she was talking about and did a little bit of qualifying. Overall I didn't do much talking though (compared to her anyways). The only specific thing I remember was when I started speaking German while she was talking about a trip through Europe. She spent most of the time in eastern Europe so I figured she wouldn't know any German... Which is good because the only thing I really remember is how to ask for beer lol. She didn't know what I said and it impressed her, so whatever lol.

I know everyone says you should do most of the talking, but I've been successful with several girls that I let do all the talking for me (only when they have that kind of talkative personality though). I just show some dismissive body language from time to time, and show dominant behavior when acknowledging her, it's worked for me so far. I actually got the idea from watching that "Dog Whisperer" show LOL! Not that I'm a fan of the show, but look at how the guy stands over the dogs and looks down on them without flinching, they submit quickly... I've found it works wonders on women, shy ones want to submit and dominant ones enjoy the challenge (at least that's what I've gathered). Anyways, she said she was in a hurry to get home, yet spent 30 minutes or more talking to me until I ended the conversation lol. She expressed disappointment when I told her I was leaving... perfect I pulled out my phone and had her put in her number. Without me asking, she called herself and double checked to make sure she had my number and even asked me to verify. I highly doubt she'll flake. She claimed to not be too drunk, but looked pretty drunk to me (not totally wasted though), so perhaps she will flake. Physically she was very much my type so hopefully not lol. She is studying for a master's degree in conflict resolution and spoke a lot about Europe... I'll come up with a joke about backpacking through Europe solving all their problems to start the phone conversation on a high note.

The one with the nice body, I'm still debating about. I think I'll just go the friend route with her and see if she introduces me to other friends later on down the road. We got along well, plus she was born and raised in this area so I'm certain she has tons of friends.

Wow... I said I'd post a mini FR... guess I remembered a little more than I originally thought I would lol.

Latin:
nice FR. i like to write things down after each notable date or night out b/c you'd be surprised how much you can recall and can learn from. it's a good way to not only see where you went wrong, but where you went right. that's another thing i like about your FR, you take time to mention both aspects which does wonders for improving (at least in my experiences).

i like how you handled the hot girl with the bad attitude - you showed some real i-am-the-prize attitude lol. nicely handled.

as far as the ratio of talking goes...i view it like this: in most instances the guy will be doing about 75% of the talking initially until he can build enough interest and enough comfort in order to get her to invest into the conversation. then by getting her to invest by adding her input into a topic the guy can get it to where he's doing about 65%. once the guy has her investing a bit and there's interest, the guy can start to qualify her which causes her to really invest into the conversation and thus (according to theory) creating attraction. Once this starts happening the guy ideally does no more than 55% of the talking with instances in which he does as little as 40%. Once again this is in most instances.

If you come across a girl who does a majority of the talking right off the bat, then you've got it easy. getting a girl to invest into a conversation is what a lot of the whole PU stuff is all about. this not only makes your job easier, but allows you to do some things that will make you quite dominant. you've already noticed a great once by as acting dismissive. another easy one is to just kinda cut them off when they're explaining something and changing the subject entirely - a form or breaking rapport, which gets too technical for me to explain now. perhaps you're already familiar with breaking rapport. if not, then try to find something written by AFC Adam on the topic. you can even go into a bit of kino when you cut her off. this is kind of important b/c if a girl talks too much, then you may find yourself building too much comfort and/or rapport and not enough attraction.

as far as the dog whisperer goes, in the book the game, it mentions how one old school PUA used to require all his students to read a particular book on handling dogs. it sounds rather degrading to women, but i think the message is similar to what you were getting at. learning to control a dog is not about belittling the dog or telling it what to do, it's about leading, being confident, and dominant, so that they will want to follow. on the show the dog whisper, Cesar never has to make a dog do anything once he's established himself as the leader. the dogs want a leader and they willingly follow. just like women want a man who can take the lead.

Thanks for the comment. I've seen a couple people state that writing about their dates and such helped them plenty. That's one reason why I've started posting on this thread like crazy lately lol (love the idea of having a thread for random crap btw). This way I can share my experience with who ever else might find it helpful instead of keeping it to myself. Plus being able to search for all posts made by me will make it easy to referene later on.

I still haven't read the game. I learned about this community thanks to a friend recommending a book called sex code. It's written in Spanish so I can't really recommend it to most of you, but it has TONs of info. Actually the book is too huge, I don't recommend it to anyone without tons of free time on their hands lol (which the AFC me had PLENTY of). But it basically steals the Mystery Method and goes into really good detail about female behaviour, over 600 pages worth of that! I might read over bits of it again soon. I saw the game at the book store during one of my day game attempts and flipped through it real quick. It seems largely based on PUAs that use routines, which is exactly what I don't want to do. I like the natural approach, routines bore me to death, plus I've run into several other guys that know about them. I don't want to run the risk of sounding like the chump that just got shot down by the girl I'm approaching. I'd rather have an akward silence.

I've actually found books on Buddhism to be the most helpful... yes, I said Buddhism lol. Those and books about "mindfulness" and Daoism. Ignore the religious aspects if the book includes any and just use the techniques they talk about to get in and stay in the moment and letting go of your ego. It's actually an insanely simple concept. Works wonders in clubs, instead of using your breathing as most of the books suggest, use the music. Not only has it helped me eliminate fears, but I've been a better dancer since I started doing this too. Plus tons of other benefits, no more sweaty palms for instance lol. If you look at the first scentences of my first FR, I credited one of these books which remains my favorite to this day lol, "The Power of Now". I would have just laughed and dismissed any of these books a not long ago, but I can't tell you how badly I wish now that I had come across them earlier!

As far as the dog training goes, yeah it does sound degrading to women, which makes it great fun to talk about it to them LOL. Whether I bring it up or not all depends on a girl's sense of humor and how much comfort I've built though. Great topic for some C/F fun, just don't stick to it for too long.

I was just on the website for the group that hosted the party... they have a picture where you can see me in the background talking to the hot girl lol! I think it was taken just after I sat down since her hands are crossed. In another picture, you can't see me, but she has a cheesey smile on her face. I got a good laugh out of it. Anyways, I'm not in the mood to do anything tonight, I'm just going to relax and make some more attempts to teach my self how to play this guitar I picked up the other day... not as easy as I'd hoped it would be lol, just something I've always wanted to do.

the game is only really worth reading as an introduction to the whole community. i learned a lot from the book itself actually, but that was because before reading it, i knew nothing at all. now that i've moved on to more natural style of game, i don't really use much of what i've learned form it except for some key points on social dynamics. it still made for a good foundation for me even though it's not a must read for anyone out there.


either way, last saturday night was pretty awesome for me. i went to a club, had a great time, had a serious make out with a fairly hot girl, got invited to an after part, got approached by a girl in the parking lot that i've talked to on facebook but thought she was ignoring me, then headed to the after party for more fun. i actually talked to that girl in the parking lot for a while. her friend came up to me also, so i was talking to the two of them. it was an unexpected and fun conversation. i may write up a short FR in here tomorrow just to highlight some key points.

i've been typing quite a bit lately though. i got a guy asking me on facebook for advice. he's about 3 years younger the me and he's just getting into the whole community. he was hanging out with a girl for about 2 weeks and then told her he likes her and that they should date. she said no but they still hang out a little. he says he's payed for her lunches before and given her several rides and now there are multiple guys talking to her also and he needed some advice. also she's apparently not too found of any sort of kino. not even hugging people, but i don't know much of the details. he goes to a different school than me now.

Maybe he could register on the board then everybody can benefit- just a thought

i got a guy asking me on facebook for advice. he's about 3 years younger the me and he's just getting into the whole community. he was hanging out with a girl for about 2 weeks and then told her he likes her and that they should date. she said no but they still hang out a little. he says he's payed for her lunches before and given her several rides and now there are multiple guys talking to her also and he needed some advice. also she's apparently not too found of any sort of kino. not even hugging people, but i don't know much of the details. he goes to a different school than me now.

For you student, i would have told him to forget her. But for most that can be very hard to do and accept, especially if you are a wuss, afc or immature.

I would explain, through questions: If a girl is having a relationship with a guy, would she let him touch her? How would they kiss? How would they have sex?

You got to see that, a girl will only let her touch you if she is comfortable with you. So that means you have to be a friend (not the "just friends") or lover/romantic interest. Otherwise, you will be seen as someone to be used ("orbiter") for social or materialistic or power purposes.

If he thinks she is her friend, he should figure out how much she knows about him. Get him to ask questions to her. Or just talk about things in his life, and see if she wants to relate or listen, without changing the subject or ignoring it. Then you will see if you are being used (you give and she takes, she does not give and you do not take) instead of being in a friendship/dating (give and take for both of you)

####Another point

I was watching an episode of beauty and the geek. It was interesting cause, the geeks had to decide which beauty to vote off. So some of the beuaties studied for the eviction quiz, while some got in their bikinis and went to the hot tub with the guys. What was interesting was the guys thought the bikini girls were showing interest in getting to know them, just because they were touching tehm and being evocative with them. where they were totally being manipulated. Thay resorted to logical reasons why they kept the bikinii girls in , when in fact they were emotional reasons.

#### Another point

When i was 17/18 i was working in shop, i became infatuated with a co worker. I had oneitis, i even found out her address from her mom, and went there (but did nothing, just stood out side for a bit - came to my senses). I was building her up, I was friendly with her, talked to her, but i kept thinking of what to say to ask her outt, cause i never had any experience in this field. The day came, i was ready, and what happened, i saw outside, making out with this big dude. I was heart broken, that was the one and only time i have ever cried over a woman (in terms of romance and dating). AFter that i became free, with her and started having fun, and i felt she was more attracted to me. But i blew it early on, and i needed to see it to stop me from having oneitis with her.

What am saying is that you need to see the truth to beleive it and move on.

Good stuff Rhetoric, Latin and Cani.

@ latin:
One question, why did you end the night with the chatty girl? Since things were going so well, I think you could have gone for a bounce - she clearly felt very comfortable with you and her "letdown" when you said you needed to roll seems to indicate she probably would have gone anywhere you wanted. No criticisms here, I'm just curious if there was a reason?

@ rhetoric:
I think I'd ask your student point blank why he's studying game now? If he's doing it to try to "get the girl he's already after" I think I'd advise him that that's a rough road given the situation his actions have already put himself in. I think that phrasing is important - It's not "him" that's the problem, it's "his actions", how he handled himself. imho there's a major difference (especially as far as ego is concerned), and realizing that is step one of getting good at all of this, and not letting rejection affect you as much. If he's studying game for this one particular woman and suddenly metamorphoses into this new "game proficient" guy, he's going to come off incongruent from the guy she already knows, and likely lose the girl. Which will also likely cause him to become disillusioned with the whole concept of game (It didn't work, so it's all just bullshit...). Make sure he knows that this is great stuff, and it will help him become a better man, and certainly more skillful with women, but it may not land him this particular woman.

thanks qix and canibus. you guys make some really good points. i was just about to log into facebook and send the message i typed up last night to my friend, but facebook isn't letting me log in right now, so i came on here instead.

i've done much of what y'all have recommended, but your wording is quite nice, so i think i may polish up a few key points before sending it.

the first thing i mentioned to him was a short story of how i met a girl i wasn't sure i wanted to date so i became friends with her instead. a year and a half later we started hanging out a lot and i realized that this girl was near perfect - hot as hell, smart, great sense of humor, the whole works - but i didn't game her straight away so i ended up putting myself in an unfavorable position. there was nothing wrong with me or the game i tried to pull later on, it was just that i had put myself in an unfavorable position that wasn't worth the trouble of trying to counteract. especially since she was moving to the UK for school in about 4 months.

another point i mentioned to him was how the community teaches us to go on the next girl since there are plenty out there. however, i mentioned to him how this is difficult once you feelings get involved, especially since he's new to all this. i even told him the main reason he's feeling so attracted to her is because of the time and effort he's invested into the relationship - the power investment has on our emotions.

i even mentioned some stuff about the lack of congruency if he decides to change the way he talks to her. i basically told him that if by being nice and genuine from the start is what helped him to get the number, arrange meet ups, and the first few dates that had, then that's the same basic direction he should take now, but with less wussy-ness

i also asked him his current goal, but you guys bring up so good points that i think he really needs to ask himself. i'll be sure to revise my question to include those points. i also need to mention and word correctly, as you've mentioned, the fact that it isn't him but his actions and that this is indeed great stuff to help better ourselves.

thanks once again. your advice has already made it easier for me to help him out.

Glad we could help. Depending on what his personna/relationship is with this girl already, if he insists on trying, I think you're on the right track telling him to keep on doing what was working, if he's suddenly "mystery methoding" her or something similar, he's gong to come off as a prick (but some of that methodology might be appropriate here). I've never tried to help someone "win over" someone they were failing with once they'd already set the typical afc frame, but I'd think if he starts leading more, stops asking her out, and starts "telling" her out (aka assertively setting dates for them vs. the "so what do you want to do?" game), he'd be on the right track. He's really gonna have to play up the "leave her wanting more" thing and make sure that no matter how great things are going, he leaves while on a high with her. Also, once he has her attraction amped, I'd consider using jealousy as a tool if he can wrangle it. As Future said "Jealousy is just a very unpleasant way of finding out how much you like someone" as such, if her attraction is there, it just might be enough to push her into the one doing the chasing, at which point, he's golden.

Also, he needs to agree to her denial of a relationship, but push forward with interactions - make her pay for her half if he wants to, they are just friends after all. When she objects, or points out that they're seeing an awful lot of each other, he needs to phrase it as she has - "hey, you said we're friends, don't friends hang out a lot together?"

I dunno. Just some thoughts, I've been in his shoes in my past, and I actually spun the relationship to what I wanted - I was an afc and had no clue what I was doing, so I just lucked into it, but it seems to me that was how I did it - I just didn't know I was doing it lol! I will say however, that "victory" if you choose to phrase it as such - was one of the sweetest ever!

All of that said, he has to pay special attention if he's going to pursue this, it's far to easy to become an emotional tampon in this situation. He needs to be honest with himself, and if it's not working out, cut bait and move on asap. It will be tough for him, but it's far worse to be "the friend" - Ducky was "cool" in pretty in pink, and every woman who ever saw that movie thinks hes awesome, but he never got the girl - don't let him be that guy.

kk, nuff said. best 'o luck!

@qix

Yeah I did realize that I could have taken her anywhere, one thing I forgot to mention in the FR is that when I gave her a good-bye hug she even gave me a kiss on the cheek instead of the usual cheek to cheek kiss in the air. So a bounce was definitely possible. I didn't go for it because she looked too drunk (her eyes were RED) and I didn't want to deal with her possibly vomiting or passing out, plus I simply wanted to get home and go to sleep lol. Had this happened on a weekend, I probably would have continued it, but I had to be at work the next day (this was last Thursday). Not to sound arrogant, but really this scene isn't too uncommon for me. It's not an every day occurrence, but not a once in a blue moon thing either. Also, I'm not big on hooking up just for the sake of doing it (for the most part anyways), and couldn't think of another reason to bounce a girl that drunk. I got into the whole PUA thing in order to better my social skills and find a girlfriend-status worthy girl (and to not act like a total pussy when I find one lol). Since I already know a few girls I can call to hookup with when needed, my recent strategy has been to get girls to see me as someone they can introduce their friends to. I only recently started doing this... we'll see how it goes lol. I'm not very good at gaming the "good girls" from a cold approach which is why I've been laying off the kino and trying to actually hold conversations. It worked well for me last year when I did it unintentionally. I befriended a girl who then said she had a friend who's personality was very much like mine... sure enough I ended up with hardcore oneitis over this girl lol. The girl I was introduced to dumped me and that kicked off the series of events which lead me here I was crushed at the time, but now I'm so glad it happened lol. Wow, I just went totally off topic there, but I think that explains it fairly well.

As far as the numbers I got that night, I was going to call them on Sunday. I ended up sick though with a sore throat so I decided I'd just text the girls. I sent them all messages blaming them for giving me the swine flu and how I knew I should have stayed away from them. They loved it lol. Well one of them sent a text back just recommending I drink a lot a tea... not sure if she understood it was a joke... I'm trying to get put in the friend zone anyways so I'm not too worried about it as long as they see me as worthy of introducing to their friends.

damn qix, your first paragraph from your last post is almost an EXACT outline of the first three paragraphs that i sent him. i like your point in your second paragraph too. one thing i didn't mentioned to him was the idea about becoming an emotional tampon as you've mentioned. i didn't think about that, but that's a very valid point i should have included.

i would post the advice i gave, but it's really long. it makes my day 2 FR look like a fortune cookie's message in comparison. if any of you guys have seen that, then you know just how much i tend to type. i do my typing when i'm at work not working, so i don't mind it. i just need to find a way to make my writing more reader friendly lol.