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Lift weight. Watch what you eat. This instantly = a more attractive physique. Which also = more females interested in you. It's the most simple form of pickup I know.

When I was just a kid I was a short skinny pimple faced Magic The Gathering card playing squirt. I decided I was going to make my body more attractive with hopes females would notice me. I was too scared to come onto a girl, more specifically I was waaay too shy. So I figured if I got fit, girls would then come onto me instead!

6 months later I was fit, and guess what? Girls came onto me! It was simple lol. And it still can be relatively simple. I've talked to countless amounts of girls who know about this "pua" bull shit, and they all say about the same things. One of the most common things they say are, "Why don't these guys just workout and get nice bodies? Even guys with an ugly face who have a nice body can be sexy." Plus all of us know that females don't ONLY find things as trivial as "looks" deal breakers when it comes to who they will and will not be with. Having a nice body not only BOOSTS your looks regardless, it also gives you more value in the sense that females want someone who can protect them. Having that nice chiseled body makes you feel very safe to be around, and bingo. Now you're landing two of her "emotional needs" (as frank kermit would say) just by working out! Women have 10 emotional needs (according to frank) that need to be met. And working out can kill two of those birds with one damn stone.

So what are you all waiting for! Stop reading those stupid pickup books and hit the gym. It doesn't matter if you're fat or skinny when you start, everyone has the capability to become physically fit. My motivation was to get girls, and it was enough to get me in a gym. It should be enough for you too.

- Jack

Jack is in 100% right. I have to add in top of that that you dont need to be super hero like Jack is Look at PUA masters they are nothing special but they are fit. Mystery for example has weird phisique but looking at him you can clearly state that he is fit and healthy.

Ps. After 1 month of eating right you will notice a difference in your skin it will become better, same stuff with hair.

I'd say you're 45% percent right. Bodybuilding will definitely help, it'll allow you to get away with a lot more stuff and you can feel secure that you can defend yourself and be protective of your close ones. However someone who is really charming has more chance of getting a girl than someone who is really good looking and has zero charm (sitting in the house with a good body isn't going to get you anywhere on the social circuit, whereas the charming one's out there socialising). However if you combine the personality with the body you'll get dynamite results. You can start from zero and dedicate yourself to gradually improving each of these factors. Keep it simple! Workout! Socialise; be Confident & Funny!

I agree to a certain extent to what you say Jack.

Women will be instantly attracted to guys with good physique. Yet they are more attracted to personality, character of a real attractive man.

the physique will get you their attention, but you got to have a personality to talk to them, if not, you are fucked.

having a good physique, is just shows that you have b/l of a confident person. chest up, back straight, shoulders back etc.

body building- is good not for women, fuck them, it is good for you. period. it is for your own benefit not for them. it will help get you atttention from women, as a by product of you being and improving as an attractive man.

PUAs if you notice, are very fit, and have good physique, well nost of them do. that does say a lot.

also attractive guys like Brad pitt etc, are fit, yet they have status due to their fame. that is what gets girls horny overthem. if they were not famous, they would still be attractive, yet tehy would need to rely on their on peronsailty and character traits and conveying thatt to get the girl in to the sack.

story about Bradd pitt, when he just moved to hollywood, he was hopeless with girls, yet learning all the stuff in acting he became better. look at his roles, he can play cool guys (oceans 11) and hard guys (snatch, fight club, troy) and wusses (burn after reading)

Simply put, bodybuilding is a way to build passive value. I agree with Canibus - and even Jack in some of his initial comments - having a good or even great body, is not enough to pick up women - this isn't an axe commercial and they won't throw themselves at you. That said, having a good healthy body says a lot passively that women use for preselection. It implies that your "seed" is healthy (because you are) and it implies that you COULD be a protector of loved ones (or at least them), on a primal level, the fitter males could provide better for their families / tribes.

So while it may help your openers go smoother (unless the girl is afraid of your size!) and it may make her inherently attracted, it's not enough to seal the deal.

I'm not claiming women will throw them selves at you (love those commercials!) BUT - It does make you far more attractive to women. It also gives them the opportunity to give you compliments if they are already interested in you. A lot of guys seem to forget girls get shy and nervous too around men they want to be with, having a nice body makes it easy for them to let you know they think you're attractive without risking coming on too strong.

Anyone who says your "looks are not important" is pulling something huge out of their ass though. Meeting women is mainly about attraction - let that be you coming off as having an attractive personality, an attractive face, an attractive body - these are all forms of "attractiveness" and are important for having a pretty girl like you. If you've got all three, then hell, you are set! But let's say you're missing the attractive face, AND the attractive body - But you've put all this work into acquiring your new skill set and have pulled together an attractive personality. That's still only ONE out of three major things (I don't list height as being a major thing, because it's included in the list of minor things such as head hair, etc. These are never as important as the 3 already stated and frankly not even worth mentioning).

Every single one of us has the potential to have TWO out of three, the personality AND the body (those who can afford plastic surgery can get the face too!). What I am saying in this post, is it should be in your BEST interest to give yourself the best odds you can get - so you'd be an idiot not to work out. I don't know about you guys, but 2 out of 3 are pretty awesome odds where I'm standing, a lot better than just 1 out of 3! That's for sure.

I agree completely with the above statements...

and would like to add:
The confidence that being physically fit gives you, is incomparable to the confidence that a few successful social interactions gives you. In a sense you know in a CONCRETE way, that you have a nice healthy body, whereas the confidence from successful social interactions does depend on having successful interactions (to some degree)

I'd agree with that.

When I was at high school I wasn't the best lookin of chaps but I was really popular. I wasn't in with the popular crowd but I was totally fearless socially, I talked to everyone and did what I wanted for my own amusement and was the subject of a semi-serious fanclub at one point I believe.

Now, a few years on, I'm actually quite good lookin but I've not ad that social proof nor the confidence for a good few years (the real world seems to ave a talent at squeezin the life out of you ey) and I've ad girlfriends and admirers but not as easily or on the scale of high school.

And it's all down to what that confidence gave me. The ability to be spontaneous and outcome independent and form major social proof like I've struggled with recently.

So bein physically fit isn't everythin, I've been muscley like Jack and skinny like I am now and it's more down to ow you interact and present your character, that's my take anyway, I don't think avin a good body gives you the same advantage as well managed inner game does.

I don't agree completely, Shaman. The confidence from "a few good social interactions" does make you feel great, but this is simply confidence gained by "validation." If you always rely on something as TRIVIAL as female validation to base your current confidence marker on, then you're really at the mercy of the wolves. You must strive to find deeper, and more healthy ways to achieve a sense of worthy-ness. Although the female validation DOES feel great, you also always feel the back end of that validation every time a girl/set doesn't respond in what you perceive to be a "positive" manner. It's definitely not the ideal way to build up a good inner sanctum. Although it's how most of us seem to be doing it around here. I have to admit though, there are better ways to build this "inner game" you all want than relying on your positive female experiences solely, but I'm not going to get into them just at this point in time.

The neg is that it's so addictive. You always want more of that female validation, even if you just had it, you immidiately want more. I want my fix. That's why I go out so much.

I dunno, I have to agree with Jack here. If you're into this to amp your ego via female validation, then you're going to have a hard time staying "up". Maybe that speaks to someone else's post (sorry, don't recall who!) about on and off days? As Jack mentions, if you're hanging your confidence on "success with women", then they are still ultimately in control of you to some degree. If instead, you are focusing on being a better you - which fitness of any sort is a good part of - then you're maintaining control of your situation, adding passive value to yourself, and when you do present yourself to a woman in a pickup scenario, you're not looking to her for validation. As such, your alpha male attitude is NOT just a facade, it's simply who you are - you're just using Pickup as a means to learn how to communicate your alphaness, and In my opinion, you stand a better chance of "picking up" because you'll be automatically congruent - because that's just who you are.

Regardless of your personal beliefs on this though, I also agree with Jack, that you'd be crazy not to take advantage of a factor you can control - like fitness - to increase your odds. Because whether you believe that social validation or inner game or how many star wars figures you have is more important, you can do it all, so why no stack the deck?

All of that said, I think Jack and I may have misintrepreted your message ShaMaN. I think you might have been saying that having a good physique is a built in confidence vs. relying on some sort of outside validation (which is nonetheless nice to receive!) If that's the case, then yeah, I agree!

I didn't think his post ad anythin to do with validation, merely that looks aren't as important as havin good confidence and thus good inner game.

lol qixsilver, u got it the second time around, so all is well

Hahah, yes, a misinterpretation it was. But I'm glad I pointed out the difference either way.